The Roundabout and Rest Area Blues

The Grumpy Old Men gathered again. Not as grumpy as usual. We talked about grumpiness, oldness, and such. We also agreed on a sign to replace the one down by the Hotel. I don’t remember the exact wording, but basically it says “Thank you,” to Mayor Samuel for her efforts to get rid of the planned roundabout and rest area.

Since the other sign was up for a while, we thought it would be the gracious thing to acknowledge and appreciate the change of heart.

That’s not to say that the area won’t be getting some upgrades. It will, and it should. We’ll probably still snivel about the details, but overall, the plan seems okay. We’ll find something else to complain about later, but the breakfast was pretty good so we all left looking momentarily like cheerful old men. That will probably change after we all realize that we probably shouldn’t have cleaned our plates. This too shall pass.

I think we’re all in agreement that senility will be a pretty smooth and painless transition, but that’s not really related to city projects.

“I’m not all that smart, talented, good looking, or athletic, but I completely forgot where I was going with this.” –– Anonymous



Another Gathering

There was another meeting of local grumpy old men. Well, not really a meeting. We ate breakfast. We gathered to discuss things that we’re grumpy about. We didn’t agree on everything, but we mostly got a consensus. We had a couple of new recruits this time, so we tried to go easy on them. Not. We didn’t cut them any slack at all. If you want to hang out with grumpy old men, you have to bring your “A” game and a thick hide.

We talked about the roundabout, even though it’s not officially called a roundabout. It’s officially called a “traffic revision.” That’s the name you give a roundabout when too many people think a roundabout is unnecessary, useless, will cause more problems than it solves, and costs money that would be better spent on buying everybody a couple of beers. If you call it a “traffic revision” it sounds benign and friendly – a cuddly little puppy. You know, a couple of minor changes to reduce the number of fender-benders in front of Monte Square from two in ten years to something more manageable.

We talked about a rest area. For those of you who keep track of such things, there’s a proposal to have a rest area down by the highway, with the idea that it will be the centerpiece of a new commercial area. I’ve never read about growing a city around public restrooms. A gap in my cultural upbringing, I’m sure.

All these grandiose plans are intended to bring people into Montesano to spend their money at Montesano businesses. The notion is that we can increase our downtown commerce by a huge percentage – maybe double or triple – if we can attract more people off the freeway with a pretty roundabout and a rest room.

Where are all those imaginary people going to park? Parking in beautiful downtown Montesano isn’t exactly wide open with the commerce we already have.

On another note, we talked about doing something to improve our access to quality medical care, with the possibility of a medical clinic in town. It could happen. It’s going to require some active interest from the local population, but that shouldn’t be a problem. The way things are, any medical care beyond visiting a doctor requires a trip to Aberdeen or Elma – possibly even Olympia. Be on the lookout for a petition. We can do this.

Then somebody told a dirty joke and the discussion was pretty much over.

My own take on the “traffic revision” and rest area hasn’t changed. I still want to know a few things. You should want to know these things, too:

  • What problems are these projects going to fix?
  • What’s it going to cost local businesses while they’re being built?
  • What’s it going to cost the city to maintain them after they’re built?
  • How much additional revenue can the city realistically expect as a result?
  • How much will the city have to spend to accommodate any additional traffic/parking?
  • Will there be a need for more police? How many? At what cost?
  • If you subtract the costs from the benefits, does the city come out ahead?
  • How were those values determined?

Just questions that need to be answered. The last question is vitally important. The last numbers I saw had no available data backing them up – like they were pulled out of somebody’s back pocket. A real cost benefit analysis looks way different than what’s been put forward so far. Old men are a lot less grumpy when they get acceptable answers to reasonable questions.

If you’re reading this and it makes sense, forward the link to a friend. Maybe two.


Common Sense

I was hanging around with some grumpy old men recently. You know, just drinking coffee and complaining about everything, as grumpy old men will. We mostly stayed away from talking about our various bodily functions. We’re not quite that old, as a group.

We did come to agreement on a few things, though, that I think are worthy of consideration – even if you’re not grumpy or old. We call them common sense. In grumpy old man parlance, common sense means we decided and further discussion will only serve to make us more certain of our decision unless you have verifiable facts we don’t already know.

  1. If you’re spending other peoples’ money in large quantities, there are steps that need to be followed. If you can’t follow those simple steps, maybe you’re the wrong person for the job.
  2. The first step is to identify a problem before looking for a solution. Let’s say hypothetically, you’re wanting to put a traffic revision someplace where there are no significant traffic issues not involving trains. That would be a solution without a problem. Let’s strain the hypothesis to the absurd degree that the revision proposed is a roundabout that will require sacrifices from local landowners, impacts on local businesses in the near term, regulatory issues –and will cause more traffic problems than it solves. Keep in mind the problems it solves are statistically about zero. That would be beyond dumb, but it illustrates the point.
  3. Once you’ve decided you have a problem look at possible solutions. Given that the local economy hasn’t improved in a few years, it’s best to look at inexpensive solutions. Let’s just imagine that the entrance to town from the highway is less attractive than we want it. We want to attract people to spend their money here. There are inexpensive options. Social media is almost free. Montesano could have a Facebook page with a positive spin on all things Monte. Parks, recreation, restaurants, night life, other local business could all get a boost from that. For a modest fee important posts can be boosted to expand how many people see them. Spending a large sum of other peoples’ money to build something nobody sees until they’re already off the highway would be silly.
  4. Once you’ve decided that you have some valid options, each option needs a cost-benefit analysis. We do those all the time when we’re spending our own money. It means, “Will that be worth the money, or is there a cheaper way? Do I even need that?” In a city planning setting, you do it a bit more formally. After all, it’s other peoples’ money you’re spending. Those people have a right to know you’re thinking things through and doing the smart thing with their hard-earned dollars.
  5. Finally, make sure the people whose money you’re spending have access to the decision process if they want it. Post an explanation of the problem and solicit ideas for solutions. Landscaping might make the entrance prettier. Getting rid of unused railroad tracks might make it better. The cost-benefit analysis should be easily available – maybe on the city’s website with the URL posted in the local newspaper or city Facebook page– so people could read it and ask questions. A city council meeting to discuss the options should have the city council all there and be called to order. In short, treat the people who elected you as your employers instead of your subjects.

We talked about some other stuff, but mostly that. After we all had about four cups of coffee, everybody started excusing themselves from the table for one reason and another and the gathering sort of disintegrated.

We’ll probably gather again soon to discuss that stuff again. Stubborn grumpy old men are fun to hang out with if you are one or want to be one someday.

Pie, meet Sky

Aside from money from state and county agencies and a few employees of very few industrial companies around and about the Grays Harbor area, Montesano doesn’t have much to call income. There’s lots of “For Sale” signs around and about.

Economics 101 says you need money to get better economically. We can’t even afford to smooth out the main drag through town. Which is to say, we don’t have a surfeit of extra cash laying around as a city.

We need to attract businesses that bring money from other places into our little hamlet – not just places like the passing motorists’ wallets on their way to the beach. We need to attract money from people in Seattle, Illinois, Nebraska, Michigan, Belgium, China, South Korea. Right now we buy things from those places (read: send them our money) and sell them to each other for enough profit to pay our mortgages. We cannot grow our little town until that changes.

That’s what’s broken. That’s what needs to be fixed. Besides basic maintenance and upgrading of essential infrastructure and services, that’s where our mayor and council should be focused.

Roundabouts and rest areas and burdensome building upgrade rules are solutions without problems. At least in the last two years, the problems weren’t publicized if they exist. The simple fact of the matter is that those things will, at best, go unnoticed. At worst they will discourage businesses from coming to town and maybe cause some businesses to leave town.

Making Montesano better is a simple process:

  1. Identify a problem.
  2. Identify possible solutions.
  3. Generate a cost/benefit analysis (CBA) for each proposed solution.
  4. Find the solution with the best CBA.
  5. Do it.
  6. Make sure it’s done right.

I’ll do step one for you:

  1. Montesano needs legal, non-government-subsidy income from outside of town.

Get to work.




There’s a “Meeting” Here Tonight!

vinishitOctober 30th. Big City Hall Gathering to “discuss” the proposed traffic revision(s). Two of the proposed revisions were roundabouts, so that didn’t actually go away. Of the two other revisions, one involved adding a bunch of lanes just south of Monte Square and a stop light between the coming-from-Olympia off-ramp and Monte Square that would be a four-way, three color light, just like on Main & Pioneer. Gridlock on the train tracks should be fun to watch.

The fourth possible revision actually made some sense and seemed relatively inexpensive compared to the others. It involved expanding the off-ramp coming from the Olympia side and drawing some graphics on it that let the driver know to move to this side if you want to go this way, and move to that side if you want to go that way, and I suppose the city could pick one of the two sides to indicate straight ahead. Not to be mean or anything, but I’m thinking the city could probably accomplish that on both off-ramps in a weekend, without paying too much overtime and using leftover paint from another job.

You might think I’m being grumpy, but I arrived at the “meeting” on time. There wasn’t anything to suggest a formal or even informal discussion with the group was planned. There was no podium, microphone, apparent PA system, schedule of speakers – nothing to indicate any respect for the community from Mayor or City Council.

There was no presentation of a cost-benefit analysis – how in the near term any of this was going to affect Monte Square during construction, nor how it was determined that it would help Montesano as a whole in the long term.

The presentation was approximately as polished as an eighth grade science fair, except the presenters weren’t quite as ready to answer in-depth questions about the costs and benefits we might expect as a city from their assigned projects.

Everybody knows what a cost/benefit analysis is when they’re talking about their own money. When you decide the ’83 pickup will probably get you by for another couple of years, so let’s wait to trade it for ’92 because I really need that money for rent and groceries – that’s a cost/benefit analysis. When you’re deciding to spend other people’s money, it’s even more important because you’re affecting their rent and groceries. This little project has been going on for quite a while now.

I’ve been to a couple of City Council meetings, one town hall meeting,  where this issue was discussed. People have asked for a cost/benefit analysis. Now the song and dance at City Hall – a meeting in name only – and still there is nothing.

We have not been clearly presented with a problem for which these boondoggles are a solution.

We do not know how much money and business will be lost by Monte Square or the rest of the city while these projects are under construction.

We do not even have a reliable projection of how much money in the forms of additional business and revenue this will bring the city over the long term.

Free WiFi.


Does anyone read the Crazy Old Man? I’ve heard from a couple, but not many. Whoever you are, spread the word about the meeting at city hall on Monday regarding the “Traffic Revision,” which shall be called a “Roundabout,” from this point forward because “Roundabout” is a song by Yes from the early 70s. Songs from the early 70s have no legitimate application when discussing projects costing an initial taxpayer investment of over half a billion dollars, blocking or changing traffic at a major hub of city commerce, possibly causing long-term traffic difficulties, and having no real or supportable explanation of long term maintenance expenses.

Roundabout is a song. It may also be a very expensive bunch of BS, but it’s still just a song.


For those of you who forgot about this little blog about Montesano, I just want to remind you about free Wi-Fi. You remember free Wi-Fi, don’t you.

Free Wi-Fi was going to be the next thing in attracting tourism and business and good will and lollipops and rainbows and unicorns and bubblegum to Montesano.

Those of you who keep up with things know those items never materialized in quantity. You almost never hear anyone say, “Gosh, isn’t this free Wi-Fi wonderful?” I don’t think I’ve ever heard it mentioned except by people who actually care about it except questions like, “Who’s maintaining it?” “How much does maintenance cost?” “Does it even exist anymore?” “Was the crazy old man right two years ago when he said it was total BS?”

I’ll be casting votes for Barry Iverson and Robert Hatley. That’s not based on anything against other candidates, but I’ve talked to both of them and they seem to think clearly. Mostly I agree with their thinking.

As usual, if I wasn’t right I wouldn’t waste my time on all this typing.